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2012-07-10T08:37:03  <arvind_khadri> !learn xy problem as <reply>  People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2012-07-10T08:37:03  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
2012-07-10T08:37:33  <arvind_khadri> ,learn xy problem as <reply>  People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2012-07-10T08:37:33  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: An error has occurred and has been logged. Check the logs for more informations.
2012-07-10T08:37:37  <arvind_khadri> !learn xy problem as <reply>  People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place.  See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
2012-07-10T08:37:38  <alipi_not> I'll remember that, arvind_khadri
2012-07-10T08:37:39  <alipi_not> Title: XyProblem - Greg's Wiki (at mywiki.wooledge.org)
2012-07-10T08:37:45  <arvind_khadri> !xy problem
2012-07-10T08:37:45  <alipi_not> Factoid 'xy problem' not found
2012-07-10T08:37:50  <arvind_khadri> !xy
2012-07-10T08:37:50  <alipi_not> Factoid 'xy' not found
2012-07-10T08:38:20  <arvind_khadri> ,learn foo as <reply> bar
2012-07-10T08:38:20  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: An error has occurred and has been logged. Check the logs for more informations.
2012-07-10T08:38:26  <arvind_khadri> ,learn foo <reply> bar
2012-07-10T08:38:26  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. 
2012-07-10T08:38:47  <arvind_khadri> !\learn foo as <reply> bar
2012-07-10T08:38:47  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
2012-07-10T08:38:50  <arvind_khadri> !learn foo as <reply> bar
2012-07-10T08:38:50  <alipi_not> arvind_khadri: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
2012-07-10T08:39:02  <arvind_khadri> !hi
2012-07-10T08:39:02  <alipi_not> Welcome to #amclug
2012-07-10T08:39:08  <arvind_khadri> !xy problem
2012-07-10T08:39:08  <alipi_not> Factoid 'xy problem' not found
2012-07-10T08:39:14  <arvind_khadri> ,xy problem
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2012-07-10T10:38:18  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, lunch?
2012-07-10T10:38:49  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, yup. you?
2012-07-10T10:39:02  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, yes had.  Seems you are busy :)
2012-07-10T10:39:21  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, yeah kinda
2012-07-10T10:40:20  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, what are you doing?
2012-07-10T10:40:40  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, working. :)
2012-07-10T10:40:51  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, on?
2012-07-10T10:43:31  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, a user makes a tweet/feed saying that two pages are related, then it should be crawled and shown up in the alipi service
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2012-07-10T13:52:49  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, ping
2012-07-10T13:52:58  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, pong
2012-07-10T13:53:15  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, are there any jquery methods for forms?
2012-07-10T13:53:34  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, i think so. I'm not sure
2012-07-10T13:55:01  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, hmmm ok :)
2012-07-10T15:41:18  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, how do you write programs to utilise multiple cores of the cpu?
2012-07-10T15:41:59  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, maybe run threads and say which thread runs where
2012-07-10T15:42:13  <arvind_khadri> But personally I have never written anything like that.
2012-07-10T15:42:44  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, but I read somewhere just now that you should not confuse threading with parallel processing. I used to think it was all threads before
2012-07-10T15:42:51  <arvind_khadri> More often it is the task of the OS to optimally decide which core runs what.
2012-07-10T15:43:17  <arvind_khadri> Yes threading and parallel processing are different.
2012-07-10T15:44:17  <arvind_khadri> I hope by thread you mean *thread* not process.
2012-07-10T15:46:17  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, hmm.
2012-07-10T15:46:40  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I thought threads were child processes of the master process.
2012-07-10T15:47:27  <ecthiender> well wiki says threads ARE processes
2012-07-10T15:52:45  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, yes threads are processes but processes are not threads.
2012-07-10T15:53:37  <arvind_khadri> I am really pissed off with alipi not working for every site.  We still have code that sucks.  Really irking me off now.
2012-07-10T15:53:43  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, ^
2012-07-10T15:56:17  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, hmm
2012-07-10T15:56:58  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, Dinesh is doing a workshop, and he is asking us why are some sites not working.  I really want to put an end to this.
2012-07-10T15:58:25  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, what does not work? javascript?
2012-07-10T15:59:34  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, Kind of.  Also I find that sometimes are requests are blocked when it comes from a application, rather than from a browser
2012-07-10T16:00:01  <arvind_khadri> and other things like, google always serves google.de when google.com is opened from alipi.us
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2012-07-10T16:01:40  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, okay. what do you mean requests are blocked when they come from an application?
2012-07-10T16:01:56  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, and the google issue is trivial. that can be solved
2012-07-10T16:02:23  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, the page does not show up, or the cross domain request is blocked.
2012-07-10T16:02:30  <arvind_khadri> How can the google domain be solved?
2012-07-10T16:03:12  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I dont know. but I feel that's trivial
2012-07-10T16:03:44  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, it is not so trivial. Anyway that is not really so HOT now.
2012-07-10T16:03:59  <arvind_khadri> I just don't know wtf I do to make the thing working
2012-07-10T16:05:22  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, instead of loading the page on the server, load the page on the client side. that way wherever the client is, the correct google page will get served.
2012-07-10T16:06:30  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, we have discussed that, but then we don't get a special url for every page.
2012-07-10T16:07:04  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, and probably you shouldn't be doing cross domain requests. thats blocked because its a security issue
2012-07-10T16:07:26  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I dont get you. ^...special url for every page...
2012-07-10T16:07:41  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, We are not really doing a cross domain.  I will show it when we meet maybe.
2012-07-10T16:07:58  <arvind_khadri> Special url as in http://y.a11y.in/web?foruri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drgeo.eu%2F
2012-07-10T16:08:01  <arvind_khadri> like that
2012-07-10T16:08:36  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, otherwise if you request the page from the server, not only google, any service having localisation will get served in the local language of the region in which the server is hosted.
2012-07-10T16:08:46  <ecthiender> you wont be able to solve the problem
2012-07-10T16:09:13  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, it is more about CDN's than localization
2012-07-10T16:10:06  <arvind_khadri> anyway, I know what you are saying.  So we need to find a way to do both i.e avoid being CDN redirected and have a different URL
2012-07-10T16:10:44  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, no also about localisation. suppose if run a web service that serves pages based on the location of the client computer; if you access the service from your server and if your server is in germany, you will always end up getting a german page, even if your client is in france
2012-07-10T16:11:03  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I dont understand the problem of loading the page on the client side
2012-07-10T16:12:45  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, that is what is CDN.  The problem is that when people want to share the URL they need to have the JS and all for getting what they are looking for, how will you insert that?
2012-07-10T16:13:22  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, umm still lost
2012-07-10T16:13:39  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I think you need to elaborate what goes on
2012-07-10T16:13:54  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, Ok, am doing it now :)
2012-07-10T16:14:02  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, okay
2012-07-10T16:14:44  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, If I send you a link where I have re-narrated the content in Bengali, when you get the page, how will the content be fetched?
2012-07-10T16:14:59  <arvind_khadri> fetched at your side?
2012-07-10T16:17:16  <ecthiender> the link that you will send me will already be in the database and its corresponding renarrations. when I request for the page, you tell me these are the renarrations available? is this correct?
2012-07-10T16:17:18  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri,
2012-07-10T16:17:58  <arvind_khadri> Right, that can happen if the user either comes through alipi.us or has a extension.
2012-07-10T16:21:25  <ecthiender> yeah arvind_khadri . so what is the problem then?
2012-07-10T16:22:08  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, the problem is that how do you load the content on the client side?
2012-07-10T16:50:38  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, just 5 more mins. I'll get back to you
2012-07-10T17:11:40  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, am heading home, too hungry.  If you come on irc when you are home, we can chat
2012-07-10T17:12:10  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, ok
2012-07-10T17:12:35  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, but I cant promise if I'll come on IRC. Probably I'll just relax
2012-07-10T17:12:45  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, you can call me if you want
2012-07-10T17:12:57  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, kind of frustrated, so much fucking bad code lying around. I think I will call you, sounds better :)
2012-07-10T17:14:02  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, I had told you long back to chuck that code out of servelots window, and start from scratch
2012-07-10T17:14:09  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, cool :) call
2012-07-10T17:14:35  <arvind_khadri> Every time I see/think of code, kind of sets me back a year. Not so much to re-write I feel, just small portions.
2012-07-10T17:15:27  <arvind_khadri> I mean, things are still not working.  What the fuck am I even talking about.
2012-07-10T17:16:46  <arvind_khadri> ecthiender, anyway am heading home.
2012-07-10T17:16:58  <arvind_khadri> I should get more serious about doing things.
2012-07-10T17:17:10  <arvind_khadri> bye gn :)
2012-07-10T17:18:36  <ecthiender> arvind_khadri, be cool. chill. call me, we'll talk :)
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