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2014-01-08T09:25:38  <singh_abhinav> yo ecthiender arvind_khadri
2014-01-08T09:25:46  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, yo
2014-01-08T09:25:59  <arvind_khadri> singh_abhinav, yo yo
2014-01-08T09:27:27  <singh_abhinav> yo guys
2014-01-08T09:27:31  <singh_abhinav> whats up
2014-01-08T09:28:11  <ecthiender> nothing much..you say..
2014-01-08T09:28:13  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav,
2014-01-08T09:29:07  <singh_abhinav> going on yaar
2014-01-08T09:29:45  <singh_abhinav> did you guys ever face write problems with mongodb
2014-01-08T09:30:34  <singh_abhinav> as there is 100 ms delay between journal commits
2014-01-08T09:30:38  <singh_abhinav> arvind_khadri:  ecthiender
2014-01-08T09:31:24  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, no. but we are thinking of moving to postgre.. :P
2014-01-08T09:31:52  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, we never had any load on our applications. even if there was delay, nobody has ever noticed I think..
2014-01-08T09:33:35  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, what problems are you facing.. ?
2014-01-08T09:37:30  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, did you disappear? :P
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2014-01-08T09:54:12  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:  no
2014-01-08T09:54:18  <singh_abhinav> i just went for break :)
2014-01-08T09:54:24  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:  why postgre??
2014-01-08T09:54:26  <ecthiender> ah okay :P
2014-01-08T09:54:47  <ecthiender> umm..we figured we have structured data, which is more suitable for a RDBMS..
2014-01-08T09:55:09  <singh_abhinav> okay ecthiender :)
2014-01-08T09:55:44  <singh_abhinav> so you guys will be completely moving to postgre or combination of postgre and mongodb
2014-01-08T09:55:45  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:
2014-01-08T09:55:58  <ecthiender> and postgre partly because we wanted to try it out, partly because mysql/maria thingy, and partly because we might want to have GIS data in the future. Postgre has support for that too. and in general postgre is time tested quality open source software :)
2014-01-08T09:56:15  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, for now completely to postgre i think..
2014-01-08T09:56:27  <singh_abhinav> why not mysql :D ecthiender
2014-01-08T09:56:31  <ecthiender> if we need mongodb we can add it later..
2014-01-08T09:56:57  <ecthiender> read above ^
2014-01-08T09:57:41  <singh_abhinav> hmmm ecthiender
2014-01-08T09:58:11  <singh_abhinav> porting mongodb code to postgre will not be pain? ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:00:04  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, not really. we decided to use sql alchemy..so we have to write code for that..
2014-01-08T10:00:47  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, I'd suggest you also to find out if your data is structured, if it is then don't use mongo. use some rdbms..
2014-01-08T10:02:29  <singh_abhinav> okay ecthiender ... I have heard the clustering with postgre is pain
2014-01-08T10:03:08  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, well honestly don't know about that..
2014-01-08T10:03:33  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, but as far as I know..postgre is apparently much better than most of the rdbms..
2014-01-08T10:04:19  <singh_abhinav> hmm
2014-01-08T10:04:47  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, you are going to need clusters for your application?
2014-01-08T10:05:16  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, btw where are you working now? what kind of things do you develop?
2014-01-08T10:05:44  <singh_abhinav> i think mongodb got hype because of its good marketing team :D :D ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:06:19  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, ha ha :D
2014-01-08T10:07:00  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, have you read this article? http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2013/11/11/why-you-should-never-use-mongodb/
2014-01-08T10:07:18  <ecthiender> its a little rant though, which is actually her own mistakes..
2014-01-08T10:07:21  <singh_abhinav> yeah ..i was reading about data loss in mongodb ... why do they want app developers to worry about providing write concerns in app ...its database job :)
2014-01-08T10:07:30  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, related. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6712703
2014-01-08T10:07:32  <alipi_not> Title: Why You Should Never Use MongoDB | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
2014-01-08T10:08:23  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:
2014-01-08T10:09:10  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, do app developers have to worry about write concerns/
2014-01-08T10:09:13  <ecthiender> ?
2014-01-08T10:09:46  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, what driver do you use?
2014-01-08T10:09:48  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:  http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/core/write-concern/
2014-01-08T10:09:49  <alipi_not> Title: Write Concern MongoDB Manual 2.4.8 (at docs.mongodb.org)
2014-01-08T10:10:17  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, ^
2014-01-08T10:11:24  <singh_abhinav> exploring mongoengine ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:11:52  <ecthiender> hmm.. i have not used that..
2014-01-08T10:12:09  <ecthiender> but what kinds of applications are you developing?
2014-01-08T10:12:12  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav,
2014-01-08T10:12:36  <singh_abhinav> ecommerce one ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:12:51  <ecthiender> oh okay.
2014-01-08T10:13:06  <ecthiender> so you use mongodb to store?
2014-01-08T10:13:11  <ecthiender> not the core data of the application right?
2014-01-08T10:13:26  <ecthiender> whats the company?
2014-01-08T10:13:35  <singh_abhinav> i did not get you ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:14:09  <ecthiender> he he. sorry.. I asked two questions actually...
2014-01-08T10:14:16  <ecthiender> 1. whats the name of your company?
2014-01-08T10:14:34  <ecthiender> 2. do you use mongodb as the main data storage? or do you have other databases?
2014-01-08T10:14:51  <singh_abhinav> did you know about mongodb write concerns before hand ..
2014-01-08T10:15:00  <ecthiender> no..
2014-01-08T10:15:01  <singh_abhinav> we should meet and discuss all these things :) ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:15:35  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, hmm..
2014-01-08T10:15:36  <singh_abhinav> lol :D i was wondering if data loss was not issue for you guys and thats why you guys used mongodb ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:15:53  <ecthiender> what do you mean data loss singh_abhinav ?
2014-01-08T10:16:06  <ecthiender> we have never had any data loss with mongodb..
2014-01-08T10:18:09  <singh_abhinav> arrey  suppose your server crashes and journaled was not committed, all the data in journal will be lost na .. (mongodb flushes data to disk every 100ms na)
2014-01-08T10:18:11  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:
2014-01-08T10:19:59  <ecthiender> okay..but thats what I am saying we never have faced such a problem. I can't remember our server crashing. it was compromised once when it had became very slow and unresponsive..and even beween reboots. we haven't faced any problem of data loss..
2014-01-08T10:20:30  <ecthiender> then again that could also be because we have very few users using our application, so requests/second is really less..
2014-01-08T10:20:52  <ecthiender> we have some 30 users, who use it intermittently..not daily..
2014-01-08T10:21:12  <ecthiender> what is your company called singh_abhinav ?
2014-01-08T10:21:49  <singh_abhinav> okay
2014-01-08T10:22:11  <singh_abhinav> its unnamed startup ... we should meet and talk about it ... Satuday free hai kya?
2014-01-08T10:23:14  <ecthiender> no I am going to Dandeli :P
2014-01-08T10:23:14  <ecthiender> birding trip :P
2014-01-08T10:24:37  <singh_abhinav> hehhehehhe ..alone or with some gorup? ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:24:52  <ecthiender> with arvind_khadri and few more friends..
2014-01-08T10:25:57  <singh_abhinav> okay ecthiender :)
2014-01-08T10:28:00  <singh_abhinav> aur kya chal raha hai ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:28:43  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, well a lot of work..and birding in the weekends..
2014-01-08T10:29:00  <singh_abhinav> okay ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:29:54  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, you?
2014-01-08T10:30:44  <singh_abhinav> kuch nahi ..mera to kaam hi chalta rehta hai ecthiender   ..also spending lot of time in meditation ecthiender :)
2014-01-08T10:32:08  <ecthiender> ha ha :D real one? or like hashcube one?
2014-01-08T10:32:53  <singh_abhinav> lol no .hashcube one was yoga
2014-01-08T10:32:58  <singh_abhinav> that was not meditation :D
2014-01-08T10:32:59  <singh_abhinav> ecthiender:
2014-01-08T10:33:21  <ecthiender> singh_abhinav, ha ha I know. I was just pulling your leg :P anyway I will leave now.. gotta go home.. see you later..
2014-01-08T10:33:32  <singh_abhinav> see yeah ecthiender :)
2014-01-08T10:33:37  <singh_abhinav> when will be you free usually
2014-01-08T10:33:41  <singh_abhinav> i will call you ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:33:48  <ecthiender> after 7.30 8..
2014-01-08T10:34:03  <ecthiender> you can call me now..
2014-01-08T10:34:31  <ecthiender> or better call me after 20mins..I wil reach home by then..
2014-01-08T10:35:24  <singh_abhinav> cool ..i will do after 20 mins master ecthiender
2014-01-08T10:35:42  <ecthiender> or even later in the night is also okay..till 11..
2014-01-08T10:35:50  <ecthiender> cool..
2014-01-08T10:35:55  <ecthiender> see you :)
2014-01-08T10:36:46  <singh_abhinav> see yeah ecthiender
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2014-01-08T10:45:17  <singh_abhinav> bye arvind_khadri
2014-01-08T10:45:19  <singh_abhinav> cya
2014-01-08T10:45:36  <singh_abhinav> you stay late at work? arvind_khadri
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