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2015-01-07T01:53:04  <zoso> ,list
2015-01-07T01:53:04  <alipi_not> zoso: Admin, Alias, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, Conditional, Config, Dict, Factoids, Games, Google, Karma, Lart, Later, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, Owner, Plugin, PluginDownloader, Quote, Seen, String, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, Web, and Wikipedia
2015-01-07T01:53:12  <zoso> ,list MessageParser
2015-01-07T01:53:12  <alipi_not> zoso: add, info, list, lock, rank, remove, show, unlock, and vacuum
2015-01-07T01:53:27  <zoso> ,MessageParser list
2015-01-07T01:53:28  <alipi_not> zoso: #1: ^(s/(.+)/(.*)/([gi]*))$
2015-01-07T01:55:21  <zoso> ,MessageParser show
2015-01-07T01:55:22  <alipi_not> zoso: (messageparser show [<channel>|global] [--id] <regexp>) -- Looks up the value of <regexp> in the triggers database. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If option --id specified, will retrieve by regexp id, not content. 
2015-01-07T01:55:27  <zoso> ,MessageParser show 1
2015-01-07T01:55:28  <alipi_not> zoso: Error: There is no such regexp trigger.
2015-01-07T01:55:32  <zoso> ,MessageParser show #1
2015-01-07T01:55:33  <alipi_not> zoso: (messageparser show [<channel>|global] [--id] <regexp>) -- Looks up the value of <regexp> in the triggers database. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. If option --id specified, will retrieve by regexp id, not content. 
2015-01-07T01:56:00  <zoso> ,MessageParser show --id #1
2015-01-07T01:56:01  <alipi_not> zoso: Error: There is no such regexp trigger.
2015-01-07T01:56:22  <zoso> ,MessageParser show --id 1
2015-01-07T01:56:23  <alipi_not> zoso: The action for regexp trigger "^(s/(.+)/(.*)/([gi]*))$" is "echo What $nick meant to say was: [re "$1" [histsearch "$2" [cif [match i "$4 "] "echo i" "utilities ignore"]]]"
2015-01-07T01:57:16  <zoso> ,MessageParser add
2015-01-07T01:57:17  <alipi_not> zoso: (messageparser add [<channel>|global] <regexp> <action>) -- Associates <regexp> with <action>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. Action is echoed upon regexp match, with variables $1, $2, etc. being interpolated from the regexp match groups.
2015-01-07T02:46:19  <zoso> ecthiender, so today it is vlib for me
2015-01-07T02:47:23  <zoso> Have to help prady get things working, as tonight d has to give some demo
2015-01-07T02:49:07  <ecthiender> zoso, ha ha..hmm.. sad actually..
2015-01-07T02:49:34  <ecthiender> zoso, we still have not got that person who would be working on this full time?
2015-01-07T02:51:05  <ecthiender> zoso, can't you tell d, politely, that you understand the situation and that right now there is no other way, but actually working on multiple things simultaneously affects not only the projects, productivity etc., but most importantly - your mindset to work.
2015-01-07T02:51:15  <ecthiender> zoso, I think its important to put it out.
2015-01-07T02:51:21  <ecthiender> zoso, what do you think?
2015-01-07T02:51:54  <ecthiender> zoso, because now there will the commotion project also. and Ram's thing.
2015-01-07T02:53:49  <ecthiender> zoso, ^
2015-01-07T03:09:30  <zoso> ecthiender, Nope no one to work full time on this, d is trying to collaborate with many people, he had been to fields of view yesterday. They are trying to solve the same thing using unity. Their approach is like classic games, universe is a big sphere inside which you create rooms of different size and place 3d objects inside them, and then apply the pano/texture
2015-01-07T03:09:52  <ecthiender> zoso, what about that student under Uma?
2015-01-07T03:09:58  <ecthiender> Uma BVIT or something
2015-01-07T03:10:39  <zoso> He can't "ask" them to deliver, he can only ask people here to deliver :P
2015-01-07T03:11:08  <zoso> put the double quotes around any word :P
2015-01-07T03:12:02  <ecthiender> zoso, no hire a person! then he can ask no?
2015-01-07T03:12:20  <ecthiender> zoso, not just collaborate. that obviously won't help in delivery!!
2015-01-07T03:12:40  <ecthiender> zoso, so what do you suggest? are you happy working this way?
2015-01-07T03:13:20  <zoso> ecthiender, yes, then he can. I am certainly not happy working this way. I am interested in the projects here, but I certainly dont like the way energy is being spent on it
2015-01-07T03:13:46  <ecthiender> zoso, so why not put it out? what do you think about the above question I asked? ^
2015-01-07T03:13:46  <zoso> D just talks like some guy on the street who does not understand the words he is using
2015-01-07T03:14:40  <zoso> I think, hiring someone and then working with him towards a delivery makes a lot more sense, than he just asking me to put few pieces of his vague thoughts together and call it a demo
2015-01-07T03:15:09  <ecthiender> zoso, exactly! so why not put this out?
2015-01-07T03:16:34  <zoso> ecthiender, I will try telling this to him. I have to make him understand this
2015-01-07T03:17:04  <ecthiender> zoso, hmm.. yes.. you have make the point that most important thing is your mindset to work hampers as a result of this..
2015-01-07T03:17:10  <ecthiender> and you feel demotivated etc..
2015-01-07T03:17:26  <ecthiender> along with a host of other things that affect the project directly..
2015-01-07T03:17:47  <zoso> ecthiender, hmmm
2015-01-07T03:19:05  <ecthiender> zoso, what is he thinking dude? he can't expect to be pixar studios(vlib), and google (semantic web), and a s/w consulting company.. all at the same time.. with 3 coders!!
2015-01-07T03:19:14  <ecthiender> zoso, someone has to kick this sense into him dude..
2015-01-07T03:19:19  <zoso> OTOH, I was telling him about Bret Victor and his talk about future of technology, and how I see that we should think along those lines for this virtual library.
2015-01-07T03:20:18  <ecthiender> and that 3 is including me, who is also supposed to work for some cutting edge project again..
2015-01-07T03:20:23  <ecthiender> BS..
2015-01-07T03:20:31  <zoso> Yes, he needs to understand that code does not generate automatically :P
2015-01-07T03:20:55  <zoso> there is one more app in the deliverables or rather TODO yet
2015-01-07T03:20:55  <ecthiender> even if it does..somebody still has to code the generator!!
2015-01-07T03:20:58  <zoso> :P
2015-01-07T03:22:08  <ecthiender> i am angry >:( :/
2015-01-07T03:22:20  <ecthiender> which one?
2015-01-07T03:22:23  <zoso> I have an idea for swtr app on phone, will discuss with you later :)
2015-01-07T03:22:42  <ecthiender> but what will we do with so many ideas..
2015-01-07T03:22:49  <ecthiender> if we can't work on them?
2015-01-07T03:23:03  <ecthiender> i get discouraged listening to more ideas now :?
2015-01-07T03:23:05  <ecthiender> :/
2015-01-07T03:26:07  <zoso> I know, I understand what you are saying. I will see what can be done about hunting some heads, and I will talk to D
2015-01-07T03:26:30  <zoso> about actually cutting off some projects
2015-01-07T03:26:37  <ecthiender> zoso, yes!!
2015-01-07T03:26:40  <ecthiender> zoso, please tell him..
2015-01-07T03:26:51  <zoso> or rather getting people for them
2015-01-07T03:27:08  <zoso> I want to do one thing, and do that properly
2015-01-07T03:27:14  <ecthiender> zoso, me too!!!
2015-01-07T03:27:37  <zoso> hmmm
2015-01-07T03:27:45  <ecthiender> zoso, i hate how scattered we are..
2015-01-07T03:28:28  <ecthiender> zoso, i keep thinking of quitting and working on swts on my own..just so I feel good at the end of the day working and thinking about one thing and progressing on it..
2015-01-07T03:28:57  <zoso> ecthiender, it is crazy man, and it is very weird ok, all because we are just much enthusiastic about everything and we don't know what to do with it
2015-01-07T03:28:57  <ecthiender> zoso, here its like..you just sit and ideate and go home and don't know what to do..
2015-01-07T03:29:33  <zoso> It is mostly like ideate and do nothing, not like don't know what to do
2015-01-07T03:29:56  <zoso> as to do you need more ideation or code to be done.
2015-01-07T03:30:08  <ecthiender> zoso, no.. we don't know what to do..what do you think should be done next..just tell me w.r.t one project!
2015-01-07T03:30:33  <ecthiender> say about vlib? or about swts?
2015-01-07T03:31:04  <ecthiender> we just have zillions of ideas and threads going on all different directions..he is not thinking to sit down and build something concrete out of it..
2015-01-07T03:31:15  <ecthiender> everyday its a new idea..there is a new thread...
2015-01-07T03:31:32  <zoso> Hmmm
2015-01-07T03:31:39  <zoso> Right
2015-01-07T03:33:03  <ecthiender> add comment support to swt, which is a swt about a swt, and the permissions of a swt, and federate stores, and implement groups and write tests and have release process and get users and improve UX and make an app for NPTEL and make an app for IDH and make an app for IIACD and it goes on and on..
2015-01-07T03:33:24  <ecthiender> and it keeps changing every fucking day!
2015-01-07T03:33:34  <ecthiender> and then suddenly make a vlib demo.
2015-01-07T03:33:41  <ecthiender> and then make a followsheep app..
2015-01-07T03:34:23  <zoso> I think it is very imp for him to kind of think about what products are we making and where we stop
2015-01-07T03:34:34  <zoso> I think this swts is more like a POC
2015-01-07T03:34:36  <ecthiender> i'm just tired of it..
2015-01-07T03:34:48  <ecthiender> whats POC?
2015-01-07T03:34:54  <zoso> proof of concept
2015-01-07T03:34:58  <ecthiender> hmm..
2015-01-07T03:35:06  <ecthiender> then whats the product?
2015-01-07T03:36:27  <zoso> say an app which augments wikipedia for you to browse
2015-01-07T03:37:30  <zoso> a product would be with an app which is modifying/augmenting a present app with data that is relevant to user, that is what swts says it is.
2015-01-07T03:38:00  <zoso> that was just foot in mouth, last one :)
2015-01-07T03:38:13  <ecthiender> zoso, i think the product should be to build that platform, which lets other developers build apps on top of it!
2015-01-07T03:38:35  <ecthiender> and all your ideas about swt apps are built on top of that platform..
2015-01-07T03:38:45  <zoso> ecthiender, hmmm
2015-01-07T03:39:07  <ecthiender> which is mainly a solid store..and some bunch of helper services..
2015-01-07T03:39:17  <ecthiender> thats what I was trying to write about..
2015-01-07T03:39:32  <ecthiender> helper services like: caching server etc..
2015-01-07T03:42:50  <ecthiender> for that we need to hash out the features we think should be in the platform (for that we need to hash out some fundamental swt concepts), and prepare a roadmap to realize that feature set..publish about it..and let other developers (including us) build specific apps/services on top of it!
2015-01-07T03:42:53  <ecthiender> zoso, ^
2015-01-07T03:43:18  <ecthiender> zoso, and only work towards it..
2015-01-07T03:44:02  <zoso> makes sense..
2015-01-07T03:44:46  <ecthiender> and even to do this, I think we need atleast 3-4 competent people..
2015-01-07T03:45:55  <ecthiender> zoso, I was also thinking of how about we take this idea to Mozilla guys, present it, and ask for guidance (mostly technical and maybe process related) and do only that..
2015-01-07T03:46:37  <ecthiender> zoso, what do you think? this came out just out of frustration of working here :P
2015-01-07T03:47:37  <ecthiender> zoso, all due credit for the idea is still d's though..and whatever is built is open source..so janastu can use it once it is built..
2015-01-07T03:47:54  <ecthiender> zoso, just pouring thoughts here..
2015-01-07T03:48:12  <zoso> ecthiender, I think the same, I mean for the idea to be really reach the place, we should reach out to browser makers of course
2015-01-07T03:48:34  <zoso> but again to talk to them, we need to have some stuff to show.
2015-01-07T03:48:40  <ecthiender> zoso, i'll call you..?
2015-01-07T03:48:44  <zoso> I am totally in for the idea
2015-01-07T03:48:49  <zoso> yea
2015-01-07T03:48:50  <ecthiender> just a quick discussion...
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2015-01-07T06:59:55  <zoso> ecthiender, hey, in JS calling .apply() for a function, runs the function?
2015-01-07T07:02:21  <ecthiender> zoso, yes yes
2015-01-07T07:02:35  <zoso> ecthiender, oh ok
2015-01-07T07:02:36  <zoso> hmmm
2015-01-07T07:02:46  <ecthiender> and you can provide the context for the function and pass arguments list? zoso
2015-01-07T07:02:56  <zoso> vlib code has become spaghetti
2015-01-07T07:03:12  <zoso> hmmm
2015-01-07T07:17:17  <ecthiender> zoso, i know :) i saw that when soumitra started :P
2015-01-07T07:23:40  <ecthiender> zoso, what was the video annotation tool? i can't find it anymore :/
2015-01-07T07:24:08  <zoso> ecthiender, universal subtitles?
2015-01-07T07:24:22  <ecthiender> zoso, no no..the okfn thingy..
2015-01-07T07:24:39  <ecthiender> anyway what was the universal subtitles thing? can you share? zoso
2015-01-07T07:26:27  <zoso> universal subtitles is project Amara.
2015-01-07T07:26:28  <zoso> http://www.openvideoannotation.org/explore.php
2015-01-07T07:26:29  <alipi_not> Title: Open Video Annotation Project: ucfirst(Explore) (at www.openvideoannotation.org)
2015-01-07T07:26:37  <zoso> ,google Amara
2015-01-07T07:26:38  <alipi_not> zoso: Amara - Caption, translate, subtitle and transcribe video.: <http://amara.org/>; Amara | Creating Adoptive Families since 1921: <http://amaraparenting.org/>; Amara | Luxury Gifts & Designer Homeware: <https://us.amara.com/>; Sedona Hotels | Amara Resort & Spa - A Boutique Hotel: <http://www.amararesort.com/>; Amara: <http://www.drinkamara.com/>; AMARA | Day Spa, Salon, (1 more message)
2015-01-07T07:29:18  <ecthiender> thanks
2015-01-07T07:32:43  <ecthiender> zoso, do you know about any audio annotation tools/
2015-01-07T07:32:44  <ecthiender> ?
2015-01-07T07:33:04  <ecthiender> ,m
2015-01-07T07:33:04  <alipi_not> ecthiender: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
2015-01-07T07:33:12  <ecthiender> ,m zoso
2015-01-07T07:33:12  <alipi_not> ecthiender: Boutique | Utah County: <http://www.amaradayspa.com/>; Amara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amara>; Amara - The Vampire Diaries Wiki - Wikia: <http://vampirediaries.wikia.com/wiki/Amara>
2015-01-07T07:33:45  <zoso> ecthiender, umm, sound cloud provides an interface to annotate audio uploaded on their space. That is the only one I know from top of my head
2015-01-07T07:34:07  <ecthiender> zoso, yeah.. i know that too..but thats only for soundcloud files..
2015-01-07T07:34:17  <ecthiender> zoso, we want for any audio files..
2015-01-07T07:42:24  <ecthiender> zoso, heading to venk's place...
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